Vorshlag S550 & S650 Mustang Development Thread + 3 Shop Cars - October 23rd, 2014: This thread is where we talk about our testing, shop work, parts development, and racing with S550 Mustangs (and later S650 Mustangs). We will use this thread to share weights, pictures, and tech of various S550 Mustang parts and cars we work on. I started this thread in 2014 when this chassis was just arriving, and in February 2018 our shop bought a 2018 Mustang GT, which we are now using for more hands-on testing. We will use this shop car for development instead of just relying on outside testers' cars, and I have re-written this intro to reflect the change in direction for this thread.
This forum thread was started in 2014 just on our little forum, but when I revived it in 2018 we cross-posted it to some other forums we sponsor (or that allow us to post there), after we bought our red 2018 GT. Getting this car after the '18 major sheet metal facelift and new Direct Injected 5.0L engine made it seem more relevant now, and I'm glad we waited. Automotive forums are declining, but we feel these are much better places to share data and a better long-term repository for tech than social media (where everything posted is wiped out in about 48 hours), so that's why we go to the effort. We will be updating this thread on the following forums:
We will try to answer every question in this thread on all forums we have cross-posted on, so feel free to ask or comment about anything you see. Please keep your comments to S550 related things that "we would know" (we are not a basic repair shop, body shop, EFI tuner, or stereo/bling shop - we specialize in suspension, wheels/tires, brakes, safety gear, aero, and chassis work). You can always call or email us at Vorshlag, too.
Autocrossing and tracking this car on the skinny stock 235mm all season tires was hilarious!
We did both a track test and autocross (above) in the first week of ownership, in bone stock form, and it was pretty terrible. The next week we upgrade the base model GT with 11" wide wheels/tires, aftermarket monotube adjustable coilovers, plus our front camber/caster plates and spherical Rear Shock Mounts.
That's more like how a Mustang should look...! 19x11" Forgestars and 305 Bridgestones
As always, any picture you see can be clicked for higher resolution versions. Videos are almost always linked to our YouTube channel, for best results there. As you might know we weigh everything - and that is what prompted the start of this thread in October 2018, when we started weighing these S550 cars.
Stay tuned as we add more S550 content to this thread, from work we have done over the last 4 years as well as new development we tackle using our shop 2018 GT and other testers' and customers' cars.
FIRST REAL WEIGHTS OF 2015 MUSTANGS IN 2014
At long last an S550 Performance Pack 6-speed GT finally arrived in Dallas. Not the one we ordered, but a stocking order GT with similar performance equipment. This one has power leather seats (not the leather Recarcos) with Sat Nav, 12 speaker stereo, the bigger 15" 6-piston brakes, the 19x9/19x9.5" wheels, the works. All the goodies, probably the heaviest way to get an S550 other than convertible automatic GT (yuck!)
You have all seen the "magazine" weights thrown around, and like usual, the numbers are bunk. I swear these writers don't know how to work a set of scales. We see this every time a new model comes out - either they weigh a car with a full tank of fuel, or two people inside, or lead weights in the trunk, or just parrot the marketing materials they were given. Can they just plain dyno and weigh a car for us gearheads, PLEASE??
Corey White of Five Star Ford of Plano gave me a heads up that their very first 2015 Mustang had arrived earlier today. It was the FIRST GT 5.0 Performance Package car he knows of in Dallas, as there was a production delay on these cars due to some changes to the placement of the catalysts.
This 2013 GT is caged and has all the W2W safety gear. With one seat it is almost 3300 even
After finishing up with a customer's delivery of his race-prepped 2013 GT (built for NASA ST3, see above on the scales) we loaded up our brand new wireless Intercomp digital scales and rushed over to Five Star Ford to get that pony weighed. Why? Because I'm always a skeptic about almost ALL data on cars, and only believe what I can measure on real scales, first hand.
Turns out this thing is about 100 pounds lighter than all of the numbers the magazines had been throwing around. 3718 pounds with low fuel - low fuel levels are easier to compare between cars and is often how we race these cars in Autocross or Time Trial (depending on fuel tank/pick-up). This weight is with the "Trunk Junk" (TM) removed, which includes the floor mats, trunk mat, and the emergency tire inflation kit (no optional spare tire).
Trunk junk came to 13 pounds, and there's likely another 15-20 pounds in the trunk mounted sub-woofer. It is removable but they asked me NOT to take it out, since this car is their very first 2015 and going right on the showroom today. After we weighed the car, Corey White (the salesman in the pics, and a real gear head) told me to hop in and we drove to their fuel pumps to put a splash of 93 in the tank. Then he hopped out and said, "You're driving!" How could I say no?
We went on about a 15 minute test drive, re-striping the streets of Plano in Pirelli rubber. The car drives REALLY well, rides very similarly to a CTS-V... good compression damping, firm but supple ride on the choppy concrete roads, and hauls ass when you give it the Go pedal. Motor feels strong for a zero mile car with similar acceleration to the 2011-14 GT or Boss 302. The PP cars all have the 3.73 gears and Torsen axle. The sticker price is shown below.
As always you can click any picture for a larger rez version
The ergonomics are spot on. I've sat in a couple of these but driving it was amazing. 6'7" Corey fits in here well, and my 6'3" frame was swallowed up with ease as well. The shifter feels GREAT and the lever is right where my arm wanted it. The steering wheel has a big FAT rim and gauges that were easy to read. The seats were good, but the Recaros are better - that option worth the extra coin, if you never plan on installing real racing seats.
Loved the switch gear, and the materials + leathers were top notch. Pedal spacing was perfect for heel-toe downshifts. Just a quick street drive but I really liked it.
Left: 2014 Camaro Z/28 with A/C and 3/4 tank, sans trunk junk = 3835 lbs. Right: 2011 GT Brembo Premium 6-spd, sans trunk junk = 3563 lbs
Closing thoughts: this car will be a hot seller. We happened to weigh a 2014 Camaro Z/28 today (equipped with A/C, see above) and it was 3835 pounds with 3/4 tank of fuel. So the S550 is considerably lighter, which is good news. I was pretty upset after hearing the (bogus) 3850+ pound numbers being thrown all over the internet for the S550, and had essentially given up on these cars before they even arrived. That was probably a bit rash, and now I am back on the Pro-S550 bandwagon.
Since we introduced them in 2014, our S550 camber/caster plates have been a huge seller
Look for products for this chassis coming from Vorshlag soon - and don't worry, we're going to keep supporting the S197 Mustang even after our 2011 GT is sold (edit: it was sold in 2015). The dyno numbers for the S550 look promising, and the exhaust gains seem pretty big for simple work. The wheel/tire packages on these cars are SUPER heavy - we have a Forgestar CF5 18x10 that fits this car, plus 18x11" wheels in the works, and there's even more "extra weight" in the exhaust and wheels. We will try to get some weight out where we can...
Thanks for reading,
This forum thread was started in 2014 just on our little forum, but when I revived it in 2018 we cross-posted it to some other forums we sponsor (or that allow us to post there), after we bought our red 2018 GT. Getting this car after the '18 major sheet metal facelift and new Direct Injected 5.0L engine made it seem more relevant now, and I'm glad we waited. Automotive forums are declining, but we feel these are much better places to share data and a better long-term repository for tech than social media (where everything posted is wiped out in about 48 hours), so that's why we go to the effort. We will be updating this thread on the following forums:
- Vorshlag Forums - we own this one
- Track Mustangs Online - sponsored; lots of Mustang track junkies
- S197Forums - sponsored; lots of autocross and track junkies
- Track Junkies - They tolerate us; cross-make/model track junkies
We will try to answer every question in this thread on all forums we have cross-posted on, so feel free to ask or comment about anything you see. Please keep your comments to S550 related things that "we would know" (we are not a basic repair shop, body shop, EFI tuner, or stereo/bling shop - we specialize in suspension, wheels/tires, brakes, safety gear, aero, and chassis work). You can always call or email us at Vorshlag, too.
Autocrossing and tracking this car on the skinny stock 235mm all season tires was hilarious!
We did both a track test and autocross (above) in the first week of ownership, in bone stock form, and it was pretty terrible. The next week we upgrade the base model GT with 11" wide wheels/tires, aftermarket monotube adjustable coilovers, plus our front camber/caster plates and spherical Rear Shock Mounts.
That's more like how a Mustang should look...! 19x11" Forgestars and 305 Bridgestones
As always, any picture you see can be clicked for higher resolution versions. Videos are almost always linked to our YouTube channel, for best results there. As you might know we weigh everything - and that is what prompted the start of this thread in October 2018, when we started weighing these S550 cars.
Stay tuned as we add more S550 content to this thread, from work we have done over the last 4 years as well as new development we tackle using our shop 2018 GT and other testers' and customers' cars.
FIRST REAL WEIGHTS OF 2015 MUSTANGS IN 2014
At long last an S550 Performance Pack 6-speed GT finally arrived in Dallas. Not the one we ordered, but a stocking order GT with similar performance equipment. This one has power leather seats (not the leather Recarcos) with Sat Nav, 12 speaker stereo, the bigger 15" 6-piston brakes, the 19x9/19x9.5" wheels, the works. All the goodies, probably the heaviest way to get an S550 other than convertible automatic GT (yuck!)
You have all seen the "magazine" weights thrown around, and like usual, the numbers are bunk. I swear these writers don't know how to work a set of scales. We see this every time a new model comes out - either they weigh a car with a full tank of fuel, or two people inside, or lead weights in the trunk, or just parrot the marketing materials they were given. Can they just plain dyno and weigh a car for us gearheads, PLEASE??
Corey White of Five Star Ford of Plano gave me a heads up that their very first 2015 Mustang had arrived earlier today. It was the FIRST GT 5.0 Performance Package car he knows of in Dallas, as there was a production delay on these cars due to some changes to the placement of the catalysts.
This 2013 GT is caged and has all the W2W safety gear. With one seat it is almost 3300 even
After finishing up with a customer's delivery of his race-prepped 2013 GT (built for NASA ST3, see above on the scales) we loaded up our brand new wireless Intercomp digital scales and rushed over to Five Star Ford to get that pony weighed. Why? Because I'm always a skeptic about almost ALL data on cars, and only believe what I can measure on real scales, first hand.
Turns out this thing is about 100 pounds lighter than all of the numbers the magazines had been throwing around. 3718 pounds with low fuel - low fuel levels are easier to compare between cars and is often how we race these cars in Autocross or Time Trial (depending on fuel tank/pick-up). This weight is with the "Trunk Junk" (TM) removed, which includes the floor mats, trunk mat, and the emergency tire inflation kit (no optional spare tire).
Trunk junk came to 13 pounds, and there's likely another 15-20 pounds in the trunk mounted sub-woofer. It is removable but they asked me NOT to take it out, since this car is their very first 2015 and going right on the showroom today. After we weighed the car, Corey White (the salesman in the pics, and a real gear head) told me to hop in and we drove to their fuel pumps to put a splash of 93 in the tank. Then he hopped out and said, "You're driving!" How could I say no?
We went on about a 15 minute test drive, re-striping the streets of Plano in Pirelli rubber. The car drives REALLY well, rides very similarly to a CTS-V... good compression damping, firm but supple ride on the choppy concrete roads, and hauls ass when you give it the Go pedal. Motor feels strong for a zero mile car with similar acceleration to the 2011-14 GT or Boss 302. The PP cars all have the 3.73 gears and Torsen axle. The sticker price is shown below.
As always you can click any picture for a larger rez version
The ergonomics are spot on. I've sat in a couple of these but driving it was amazing. 6'7" Corey fits in here well, and my 6'3" frame was swallowed up with ease as well. The shifter feels GREAT and the lever is right where my arm wanted it. The steering wheel has a big FAT rim and gauges that were easy to read. The seats were good, but the Recaros are better - that option worth the extra coin, if you never plan on installing real racing seats.
Loved the switch gear, and the materials + leathers were top notch. Pedal spacing was perfect for heel-toe downshifts. Just a quick street drive but I really liked it.
Left: 2014 Camaro Z/28 with A/C and 3/4 tank, sans trunk junk = 3835 lbs. Right: 2011 GT Brembo Premium 6-spd, sans trunk junk = 3563 lbs
Closing thoughts: this car will be a hot seller. We happened to weigh a 2014 Camaro Z/28 today (equipped with A/C, see above) and it was 3835 pounds with 3/4 tank of fuel. So the S550 is considerably lighter, which is good news. I was pretty upset after hearing the (bogus) 3850+ pound numbers being thrown all over the internet for the S550, and had essentially given up on these cars before they even arrived. That was probably a bit rash, and now I am back on the Pro-S550 bandwagon.
Since we introduced them in 2014, our S550 camber/caster plates have been a huge seller
Look for products for this chassis coming from Vorshlag soon - and don't worry, we're going to keep supporting the S197 Mustang even after our 2011 GT is sold (edit: it was sold in 2015). The dyno numbers for the S550 look promising, and the exhaust gains seem pretty big for simple work. The wheel/tire packages on these cars are SUPER heavy - we have a Forgestar CF5 18x10 that fits this car, plus 18x11" wheels in the works, and there's even more "extra weight" in the exhaust and wheels. We will try to get some weight out where we can...
Thanks for reading,
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