Project Introduction: This is the first post on a new project that I am a part of but not in direct control over, and it is not a "Vorshlag Build". A couple of old college racing buddies and I are going in together on a crap can endurance race car build. If you are living under a rock and don't know what that is, there are two competing Wheel-to-Wheel endurance road racing series (24 Hours of LeMons and ChumpCar) where racers have a "$500 budget", buy a piece of crap car, do some safety upgrades and a few repairs, add a roll cage, then go tearing ass around road courses from here to Leguna Seca.
My first and second CrapCan rides: a 1991 BMW 318is and a 198X Camaro
Both series have been going for several years and together this "Crap can racing" phenomenon has grown in popularity. We regularly see fields of 40-60 cars at the Texas events. I have run a couple of LeMons races and have watched a few others. My first taste of crapcan endurance racing was February 2011 running the BMW E30 318is above at Eagles Canyon Raceway (ECR) with a 24 hour of LeMons event (double 7hr race). Then I got a ride in Costas' 3rd gen Camaro in another LeMons race at ECR in December 2011. On top of that I did a 4 hour endurance karting race last December. I had such a blast driving in these 3 endurance races in 2011 that I convinced two close friends to join forces to create our own CrapCan entry for use on track late this year or next. We ended up talking about it for a year before we finally chose the car, found the candidate, and got off our butts and bought it.
Who is Picking this Hoopty?
If you read my build threads you will recognize their names - Jason McCall and Paul Magyar. We decided a democracy was a bad idea so Jason is the team leader and will make the critical decisions. Paul has his own autocross/track car build (this GC Subaru coupe with an '05 STi swap) and Jason has his Z3M Roadster LS1 and a former Nationals winning BSP autocross Corvette. I have 6 or 7 of my own car projects. So what on earth are we doing building a crapcan car? Well... none of us has a W2W car so we joined forces to make one.
Jason and Paul are shown goofing for the camera, above
We talked about a bunch of different chassis choices and benched raced a half dozen semi-serious ideas before we finally blew them all off - the numbers didn't add up and would put us clearly over the $500 budget. Everything we chose was RWD, which we feel is the most reliable platform for racing at this budget level (other than Paul, who kept saying "Subaru!"). RWD eliminates hundreds of potential $500 cars. We also wanted to use something which was built after the mid 1990s, to solve a lot of reliability problems, electrical issues, and pretty much guaranteed the car would have a somewhat modern and efficient fuel injection system (I frakking HATE carbs). That eliminated all of the "fast" cars that were left. After racing with and without ABS brakes in LeMons, I felt that a decent ABS system was a *must* for easy passing under braking (the 318is could out-stop anything on track!), which narrowed the field even more.
All of our dream builds would cost too much money. You cannot buy a running 1990s BMW E36 or mid-90s-up V8 powered F-Body for $500, which were two of our top choices. I know, some people still end up sneaking them into one series of the other, but we were going for a legit $500 car.
Are We Actually Buying This Thing?
After all of those restrictions we had to throw away all of our dream cars, but at least we stuck to our minimum requirements and bought the biggest pile of crap car that nobody wants: a 4th generation "F-Body" Firebird with a V6 and a manual trans. Even when we settled for the lowly V6 F-body, we still had a bare minimum wish: NO T-tops, NO automatic trans, and the 1998-2002 range was much preferred.
Look at this gem - who could resist that allure?! We had to buy it
Finding a V6 T5 car with no T-tops proved a tough search but we found a theft recovery + flood salvage titled car (a rare "double loser"!) in the back of a junkyard in July. He wanted $800 so we let the guy stew for a few months and came back and bought it in September for $500. Whoo! I've never been so happy to buy such a pile of sh!t.
This 1998 Firebird had been broken into, the front bumper cover and headlights were stolen, and the door latch and lock cylinder were gone on one side, but otherwise it was still mostly intact. The owner said that "it ran before they tried to steal it, and we drove it to where it sits now", but the battery was long dead. The jimmied door had been propped open in this field for 2 years so it was full of grass, critters, and smelled like a pack of hobos had been living in it for months. Oh well, all of the carpets and interior were destined for the Dumpster, so we didn't care. These "features" all made for good negotiating tactics.
We hauled it away on a trailer and went straight to the self-serve car wash to try to get the black mold off of the paint, so we could see how bad it looked underneath. After $2 in change the exterior cleaned up pretty well, but we found some unimportant body damage. We dragged it back to my house and unloaded it from the trailer to take a closer look inside. Oh damn the smell in there! Maybe more like a hobo slaughter house? There was a nest of fire ants under the hood we need to see about fumigating, and we never did get the rear hatch to open (probably find Jimmy Hoffa back there). It has been parked in my driveway for two weeks - the petition from my neighborhood's residents to have it hauled away and burned is circulating.
TV Tip: This Sunday Sept 30th at 12 noon CST on SPEED Channel they will be airing the Optima Challenge Event which the Vorshlag 2011 Mustang GT should hopefully be featured in. Set your DVRs.
Goals? Thoughts? Dreams?
I doubt we will figure out some super secret advantage, so don't expect to see a Brawn F1 Double Diffuser breakthrough on this car. We all just want to build a cheap, reliable, durable car with cheap consumables. Another major goal - it must be CLEAN. We won't be slapping mud and oil all over the car to make it look worse than it is, as McCall and I are neat freaks, so it might be the cleanest car on the grid (at least at the beginning of a race).
Some of the other ideas will become apparent as we go, but the basics are simple and proven: run as much tire as we can get away with, decent brake pads, and gut the heavy interior out of the car. But we have to get it running, first.
If/when this rolling hobo shanty is actually running, then we will then get a used front bumper cover, add a race seat, slap on some cheap C4 Corvette wheels and 200+ treadwear tires, replace the brake pads/fluid, then take it to a track day and see how it runs. If it is hopelessly slow we can punt and dump it before there's almost any money invested into it.
Will there be anything innovative or cool on this build? Probably not. We will try to make some of our scatter brained ideas happen on zero budget, and some of you reading have seen what we could do with almost no budget...
Yes, I suspect there will be some woodworking done on this car. Plywood is cheap! We should ask for Home Depot gift cards for our birthdays. I'm already seeing a team name... "The Hobo Lumberjacks?" Yea, that's terrible. Gonna need some help here.
While we have to have a team name (and it won't say "Vorshlag" on it), there won't be any silly theme/funny hats/costumes, and we might even get docked laps for that. This is just 3 guys building a cheap W2W car, meeting both the letter and spirit of the rules, trying to have fun and go as fast as we can. The cage will be over-built, and this is one of the only things that will be built in the Vorshlag shop (but still done after-hours). Not that it matters, as these series allow for good cages and safety gear without dinging the budget.
Engine and brake cooling will get as much attention as we can afford to throw at it. Whatever we can find at Home Depot is fair game, so look for us in the "Drier Accessories" aisle soon. Hopefully I've learned a few things from the two previous teams that were nice enough to let me co-drive their CrapCans, and if we are lucky we won't make too many new mistakes.
What's Next?
To get this project kicked off we plan to wrench on it for most of the day Saturday at my house. We need to try to charge the dead battery, fix the door latch on the driver's side, yank out the interior, clean some mud off the underside, and drain the fuel tank (it will be nasty varnish after 2 years of sitting). Luckily I have a lift, plumbed compressed air, and some limited tools at home. And plenty of cold beer.
I suspect this will be the least impressive build thread I have ever documented, so don't get your hopes up. And of all that we have started this one has the highest probability of a "crash and burn" failure. Can you tell I am trying to set LOW expectations here? We're going to do this one just for fun, and not the fame and fortune (ha!) that comes with our other forum thread builds. The GRM $2010 Challenge car was a lot of fun and these two knuckleheads were two of the key wrenches on that build, so we have a little experience with a uber-low budget build, but I'm sure we will learn as we go. As with that build, we are again looking to you guys out there for tips and tricks. We know that there are hundreds of teams that have done LeMons and Chump already and we can't pretend to know any more than any of them ahead of us, so speak up if you see us blowing it.
Question: If anyone has some cheap 17x9.5 C4 "sawblade" wheels or a front bumper cover for a 1998-2002 Firebird, please PM me.
Check back next time to see if we found some fatal flaw (yet) and have decided to drop this car from an airplane...
My first and second CrapCan rides: a 1991 BMW 318is and a 198X Camaro
Both series have been going for several years and together this "Crap can racing" phenomenon has grown in popularity. We regularly see fields of 40-60 cars at the Texas events. I have run a couple of LeMons races and have watched a few others. My first taste of crapcan endurance racing was February 2011 running the BMW E30 318is above at Eagles Canyon Raceway (ECR) with a 24 hour of LeMons event (double 7hr race). Then I got a ride in Costas' 3rd gen Camaro in another LeMons race at ECR in December 2011. On top of that I did a 4 hour endurance karting race last December. I had such a blast driving in these 3 endurance races in 2011 that I convinced two close friends to join forces to create our own CrapCan entry for use on track late this year or next. We ended up talking about it for a year before we finally chose the car, found the candidate, and got off our butts and bought it.
Who is Picking this Hoopty?
If you read my build threads you will recognize their names - Jason McCall and Paul Magyar. We decided a democracy was a bad idea so Jason is the team leader and will make the critical decisions. Paul has his own autocross/track car build (this GC Subaru coupe with an '05 STi swap) and Jason has his Z3M Roadster LS1 and a former Nationals winning BSP autocross Corvette. I have 6 or 7 of my own car projects. So what on earth are we doing building a crapcan car? Well... none of us has a W2W car so we joined forces to make one.
Jason and Paul are shown goofing for the camera, above
We talked about a bunch of different chassis choices and benched raced a half dozen semi-serious ideas before we finally blew them all off - the numbers didn't add up and would put us clearly over the $500 budget. Everything we chose was RWD, which we feel is the most reliable platform for racing at this budget level (other than Paul, who kept saying "Subaru!"). RWD eliminates hundreds of potential $500 cars. We also wanted to use something which was built after the mid 1990s, to solve a lot of reliability problems, electrical issues, and pretty much guaranteed the car would have a somewhat modern and efficient fuel injection system (I frakking HATE carbs). That eliminated all of the "fast" cars that were left. After racing with and without ABS brakes in LeMons, I felt that a decent ABS system was a *must* for easy passing under braking (the 318is could out-stop anything on track!), which narrowed the field even more.
All of our dream builds would cost too much money. You cannot buy a running 1990s BMW E36 or mid-90s-up V8 powered F-Body for $500, which were two of our top choices. I know, some people still end up sneaking them into one series of the other, but we were going for a legit $500 car.
Are We Actually Buying This Thing?
After all of those restrictions we had to throw away all of our dream cars, but at least we stuck to our minimum requirements and bought the biggest pile of crap car that nobody wants: a 4th generation "F-Body" Firebird with a V6 and a manual trans. Even when we settled for the lowly V6 F-body, we still had a bare minimum wish: NO T-tops, NO automatic trans, and the 1998-2002 range was much preferred.
Look at this gem - who could resist that allure?! We had to buy it
Finding a V6 T5 car with no T-tops proved a tough search but we found a theft recovery + flood salvage titled car (a rare "double loser"!) in the back of a junkyard in July. He wanted $800 so we let the guy stew for a few months and came back and bought it in September for $500. Whoo! I've never been so happy to buy such a pile of sh!t.
This 1998 Firebird had been broken into, the front bumper cover and headlights were stolen, and the door latch and lock cylinder were gone on one side, but otherwise it was still mostly intact. The owner said that "it ran before they tried to steal it, and we drove it to where it sits now", but the battery was long dead. The jimmied door had been propped open in this field for 2 years so it was full of grass, critters, and smelled like a pack of hobos had been living in it for months. Oh well, all of the carpets and interior were destined for the Dumpster, so we didn't care. These "features" all made for good negotiating tactics.
We hauled it away on a trailer and went straight to the self-serve car wash to try to get the black mold off of the paint, so we could see how bad it looked underneath. After $2 in change the exterior cleaned up pretty well, but we found some unimportant body damage. We dragged it back to my house and unloaded it from the trailer to take a closer look inside. Oh damn the smell in there! Maybe more like a hobo slaughter house? There was a nest of fire ants under the hood we need to see about fumigating, and we never did get the rear hatch to open (probably find Jimmy Hoffa back there). It has been parked in my driveway for two weeks - the petition from my neighborhood's residents to have it hauled away and burned is circulating.
TV Tip: This Sunday Sept 30th at 12 noon CST on SPEED Channel they will be airing the Optima Challenge Event which the Vorshlag 2011 Mustang GT should hopefully be featured in. Set your DVRs.
Goals? Thoughts? Dreams?
I doubt we will figure out some super secret advantage, so don't expect to see a Brawn F1 Double Diffuser breakthrough on this car. We all just want to build a cheap, reliable, durable car with cheap consumables. Another major goal - it must be CLEAN. We won't be slapping mud and oil all over the car to make it look worse than it is, as McCall and I are neat freaks, so it might be the cleanest car on the grid (at least at the beginning of a race).
Some of the other ideas will become apparent as we go, but the basics are simple and proven: run as much tire as we can get away with, decent brake pads, and gut the heavy interior out of the car. But we have to get it running, first.
If/when this rolling hobo shanty is actually running, then we will then get a used front bumper cover, add a race seat, slap on some cheap C4 Corvette wheels and 200+ treadwear tires, replace the brake pads/fluid, then take it to a track day and see how it runs. If it is hopelessly slow we can punt and dump it before there's almost any money invested into it.
Will there be anything innovative or cool on this build? Probably not. We will try to make some of our scatter brained ideas happen on zero budget, and some of you reading have seen what we could do with almost no budget...
Yes, I suspect there will be some woodworking done on this car. Plywood is cheap! We should ask for Home Depot gift cards for our birthdays. I'm already seeing a team name... "The Hobo Lumberjacks?" Yea, that's terrible. Gonna need some help here.
While we have to have a team name (and it won't say "Vorshlag" on it), there won't be any silly theme/funny hats/costumes, and we might even get docked laps for that. This is just 3 guys building a cheap W2W car, meeting both the letter and spirit of the rules, trying to have fun and go as fast as we can. The cage will be over-built, and this is one of the only things that will be built in the Vorshlag shop (but still done after-hours). Not that it matters, as these series allow for good cages and safety gear without dinging the budget.
Engine and brake cooling will get as much attention as we can afford to throw at it. Whatever we can find at Home Depot is fair game, so look for us in the "Drier Accessories" aisle soon. Hopefully I've learned a few things from the two previous teams that were nice enough to let me co-drive their CrapCans, and if we are lucky we won't make too many new mistakes.
What's Next?
To get this project kicked off we plan to wrench on it for most of the day Saturday at my house. We need to try to charge the dead battery, fix the door latch on the driver's side, yank out the interior, clean some mud off the underside, and drain the fuel tank (it will be nasty varnish after 2 years of sitting). Luckily I have a lift, plumbed compressed air, and some limited tools at home. And plenty of cold beer.
I suspect this will be the least impressive build thread I have ever documented, so don't get your hopes up. And of all that we have started this one has the highest probability of a "crash and burn" failure. Can you tell I am trying to set LOW expectations here? We're going to do this one just for fun, and not the fame and fortune (ha!) that comes with our other forum thread builds. The GRM $2010 Challenge car was a lot of fun and these two knuckleheads were two of the key wrenches on that build, so we have a little experience with a uber-low budget build, but I'm sure we will learn as we go. As with that build, we are again looking to you guys out there for tips and tricks. We know that there are hundreds of teams that have done LeMons and Chump already and we can't pretend to know any more than any of them ahead of us, so speak up if you see us blowing it.
Question: If anyone has some cheap 17x9.5 C4 "sawblade" wheels or a front bumper cover for a 1998-2002 Firebird, please PM me.
Check back next time to see if we found some fatal flaw (yet) and have decided to drop this car from an airplane...
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