Project update for May 25th, 2022: Yikes, been two years since I updated this 86 chassis forum build thread! It has almost been that long since we have touched Amy's 2013 FR-S LS swap chassis, too. While that is a little embarrassing, it has been very hectic in the shop - wrapping up some long term customer cars, some other shop-owned cars have been built in that period, we even purchased an "interim" 2006 Corvette for Amy to drive - and prepped and tracked that heavily. And then there was that whole global pandemic, followed by a massive spike in parts orders, and a huge expansion of our CNC capabilities.
Basically we've been buried and have neglected Amy's car - but it is about to finally leave the lobby here at Vorshlag HQ (below left) and head back into the shop for completion! The sleeved aluminum 454" LS7 shortblock was completed and we're narrowing down the cylinder head options to some new designs HorsePower Research is building now. Then that major piece of the puzzle can go in.
We have also worked on some of the "2nd gen" 86 cars, namely this 2022 BRZ (above right) owned by our tester Jon Miller. After installing MCS coilovers and Vorshlag top mounts at our shop, I was lucky enough to be able to drive this car on track and in an autocross. I liked it so much that I went and ordered a 2023 for Amy (well, we're trying to order one). I'll talk about all that and more below in this quick 86 update. I'll start off with where we left off work on our red '13 FRS in early 2020.
MCS RR2 COILOVER INSTALL
Knowing we had 18x12" wheels inbound, I decided to remove the Whiteline / AST 5100 coilovers that have been on the car for track testing. We only used them a few times on track before the car underwent the LS swap surgery and then went into hibernation. The spring rates were a bit too soft for real track use with the big 315mm tires and major power infusion to come, and they weren't a brand we planned on selling anytime soon.
We haven't sold AST brand coilovers since 2012 - a decade ago - and I figured it was a good idea to get the best shocks we do sell onto our widebody 86 here. Plus the private label Whiteline deal with AST went sideways almost immediately, so these shocks were now unicorns. Why show something on our own car that nobody can buy?
These MCS Remote Double Adjustable coilovers are still my favorite of their lineup of the 5 different shock models they make for every car. We currently have MCS RR2s (remote doubles) on my 2015 Mustang LS swap car, MCS RR2s on Amy's C6 Corvette, and MCS RR3s (triples) on our endurance E46 LS swap race car... so RR2s for her 86 makes sense. I flubbed it and neglected to take pics of the actual set we installed in April of 2020, so the old 86 RR2 pic (above left) doesn't show our '86 upper rear shock mounts we now make.
The rears look great and we will make proper brackets to mount the reservoirs in the trunk later (above left). And the struts went fine, but I was hoping this install might unlock some inboard wheel room on the front. I ordered 18x12" wheels to replace the 18x11" wheels we had to sell to a customer who needed these 5x100 wheels for his widebody FRS (the Alpha car we finished back in 2015). But as you can see (above right) the wheel is sitting inboard of the spring, so the strut body length gain from going from inverted (AST) to non-inverted (MCS) didn't gain us any usable inboard wheel room - like it does on so many other chassis... the struts are just too short to get that benefit on the 86 chassis.
FORGESTAR 18X12 WHEEL TEST
We had to quickly sell the 18x11s from this car, and as the HPR engine build went from a simple 500 whp HPR LS to a wilder and crazier 454" stroker LS7, I was worried that the 315mm wide 200 Treadwear tires that we had on each corner might not cut it with the extra power, especially at the rear.
My idea of "always use the widest tire the class allows" pushed us to test with an 18x12" wheel, which we received in April of 2020. In the last couple of years custom spec wheels were taking so long and the prices kept climbing on this wheel brand and we don't really order much from them anymore, and stopped selling wheels almost completely, but they made us a set of these for the car. Jason spec'd this 18x12" Super Deep F14 wheel with a 8.25" back spacing for both front and rear, knowing they would fit the rear and as an experiment for the front.
We first tried to test fit the 18x12" wheels without a tire mounted on the front, and it didn't look promising. We couldn't push the wheel inboard further and it was poking. Not good. The wheel testing happened right as the MCS coilovers arrived, but the fronts fit poorly with both the AST and MCS setup. Even after stacking up some spacers these 12" wide wheels simply proved to be more than this Rocket Bunny flare kit could cover. At full lock they were digging into the already modified chassis and I wasn't comfortable with this much tire poke. Lots of pondering...
A pair of 18x12" wheels were mounted with some old 335/30/18 BFG Rivals that we used on our 2014 Mustang ages ago - these tires were from 2014, so we would never drive them on track (old / hard / obsolete compound!) As you can see they fit the rear well. The tire and wheel fit the rear perfectly, no spacer needed and zero poke. Perfection! So these will stay on the rear for the foreseeable future (but with fresh 335 or 345mm tires).
As a "Hail Mary" play I ordered some 38mm wide bolt-on front spacers in May of '20, and Brad installed on onto the front left of the 86 while parked in the lobby. The thought was this would push the wheel outboard enough so the tire could clear the strut, then we'd see how it looked.
Well it "worked", as the 335mm tire now cleared the Hyperco springs on the MCS strut (above left), but the tire poked a solid 20mm past the front flare (above right). Ugh, I cannot stand tire poke, so we had to go back to the drawing board for the front tire and wheel package. Discouraged, but this is what happens sometimes when you are pushing the limits of what is possible!
OTHER UPDATES TO '13 FR-S
We tackled a little more work in April 2020 on this chassis, with a MagnaFlow muffler mocked up and purchased as well as some front "carbon" nose work.
This ExtremeDimensions carbon nose needed some trimming and adjustment to fit around the front headlights better. Again, it was a cheap nose that was much more rigid than the rubber OEM piece and had the openings for the oil coolers we wanted to run. This is the normal adjustment needed on aftermarket composite front ends, trust me.
Last piece of work we did on this car before it went into the lobby to hibernate for two years was test fitting this massive MagnaFlow muffler while on the lift. We had recently purchased a number of these then Magnaflow sponsored a couple more for this build and one other. I have a single version of this on my '00 Silverado and it sounds good with a little 347" LS race engine.
There are two in the back of my 2015 Mustang (that we purchased and built while this 86 was in hibernation) and with two 3.5" Id mufflers this size it is good for 1200+ hp.
HPR LS ENGINE BUILD
Part of the reason to use an HPR engine was that I am one of the partners there, and so it makes sense that we test some new and interesting things. I purchased a sleeved aluminum Gen IV block in 2019 to start this engine build, then Erik spec'd the rods, then the crank, then the pistons, then the heads. A little out of the ordinary on the design order, but this was all done during the Pandemic and supply chain issues made normal choices difficult and lead times long.
I purchased a sleeved aluminum LS block that was already finished honed to 4.185" OD. Normally we use these sleeved LS blocks with a 4.185" final bore and a 4.25" stroke crank to reach 468" of displacement, or 7.7L. The calc is like this: Bore area (4.185^2 x pi / 4) x stroke (4.25") x 8 cylinders = displacement. The HPR 468" is pretty amazing and these regularly make 650 - 750 whp for road race engines, depending on compression, intake manifold, and fuel.
4.125" STROKE 8CW CRANK
One of the first things we wanted to test was a fully counter-weighted (8 full sized counterweights) from Scat that had a 4.125" stroke. The cost was a really strong motivator and this unit is priced well for an 8 CW crank, but it gives up a bit of displacement from the normal 4.250" stroke the HPR guys normally use on stroker 468" engines. This 1/8" of stroke change makes this only a 454" engine, or 7.44L.
And we had to modify the crank to work with the LS7/LS9 OEM style dry sump pump I wanted to use. Converting this "short snout" crank to a "long snout" is a costly and time consuming job we only trust to one vendor, but we got it back a couple of months later, and it balanced out great. After this it was still a savings over a custom billet crank to get 8 full counter weights in 4.125" stroke.
LIGHT PISTONS, LIGHT RODS AND PIN GUIDED SPACERS
One of the things engine builder Erik Koenig wanted to test was lighter than normal pistons and rods. Removing weight from the reciprocating assembly reaps benefits with both reliability and lower inertia, for an engine that revs quickly. It is also worth a little more power, and can be used at higher RPMs.
One way to remove a lot of mass from the "big end" of a connecting rod is to use "pin guided" rods, which are aligned to the bore by the pistons, instead of the traditional way of aligning these at the crank by the big end of the rods.
In April of 2020 we took this set of lightweight Scat H-beam alloy steel rods and removed some of the width on our CNC lathe, above. This was an easy process and we just followed Erik's specifications, which he came by to triple check with us.
You can see the machined outer faces on the big end of these rods, above. The before and after is shown above right. This removed "many grams" from the big end, but due to business reasons I cannot share everything there.
We also machined these rod spacers that go inside the custom spec'd Wiseco pistons, above. Instead of a tapered opening these were machined by Wiseco for a pin guided rod, so they are square to the small end of the rod's faces. These aluminum spacers were fit to each rod and piston and marked before final assembly. The piston now positions the rod on the crank instead of the traditional crank journal positioning the rod and floating on the piston pin. It is a common trick in F1, NASCAR, and even some OEMs like Mercedes do this.
The rod bearings at the crank are narrower to work with the now narrower (and lighter) big end of the modified rods. Erik personally checked the fit of each rod / space / piston assembly when it all went together. Along with his 3D milled lightweight pistons we end up with a reciprocating assembly that has less bob weight mass than a titanium rodded LS engine, at a lower cost and without the compromises that titanium rods can have long term.
ASSEMBLING THE HPR 454" LS SHORTBLOCK
In January of 2021 I worked with Erik after hours at HPR to assemble the 454" shortblock. The first night we worked on installing all of the plugs and checking the block top to bottom, after it was final honed, align honed, and washed.
We then moved to checking the crank bearing clearances. A set of narrowed bearings was installed then the main caps were torqued to spec. Then the bores of the bearings are checked and each cap is marked, then checked against each main journal of the crank. If the spec's are not right an over or undersized set of bearings is then tested.
We took the freshly balanced 4.125" 8 CW crank and mocked that up in the block. Then it was time to check main bearing clearances, which took longer than you'd think. We went through a couple of different sets of bearings to get the .002" clearance Erik wanted for what we will do with this engine.
Above we are dialing in the thrust clearance, which is the middle main bearing on the LS engines. There are some small tricks there to get the number you want for either an automatic or manual transmission (and they are slightly different).
With the mains bearing clearances set we torqued the main caps on for "the final time" and bagged up the engine until the next after-hours work session.
Before the rods were installed Erik spec'd and ordered a custom hydraulic roller Comp Camshaft for this engine and that was installed.
In the images above Erik is setting the cam plate on the front, then it was time to install rods and pistons.
I didn't get great pictures of this, as your hands get covered in assembly oil during this step and I didn't want to slather my phone in that. Setting up the ring end gaps and installing the rings, rods, and pins took a lot of time.
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Basically we've been buried and have neglected Amy's car - but it is about to finally leave the lobby here at Vorshlag HQ (below left) and head back into the shop for completion! The sleeved aluminum 454" LS7 shortblock was completed and we're narrowing down the cylinder head options to some new designs HorsePower Research is building now. Then that major piece of the puzzle can go in.
We have also worked on some of the "2nd gen" 86 cars, namely this 2022 BRZ (above right) owned by our tester Jon Miller. After installing MCS coilovers and Vorshlag top mounts at our shop, I was lucky enough to be able to drive this car on track and in an autocross. I liked it so much that I went and ordered a 2023 for Amy (well, we're trying to order one). I'll talk about all that and more below in this quick 86 update. I'll start off with where we left off work on our red '13 FRS in early 2020.
MCS RR2 COILOVER INSTALL
Knowing we had 18x12" wheels inbound, I decided to remove the Whiteline / AST 5100 coilovers that have been on the car for track testing. We only used them a few times on track before the car underwent the LS swap surgery and then went into hibernation. The spring rates were a bit too soft for real track use with the big 315mm tires and major power infusion to come, and they weren't a brand we planned on selling anytime soon.
We haven't sold AST brand coilovers since 2012 - a decade ago - and I figured it was a good idea to get the best shocks we do sell onto our widebody 86 here. Plus the private label Whiteline deal with AST went sideways almost immediately, so these shocks were now unicorns. Why show something on our own car that nobody can buy?
These MCS Remote Double Adjustable coilovers are still my favorite of their lineup of the 5 different shock models they make for every car. We currently have MCS RR2s (remote doubles) on my 2015 Mustang LS swap car, MCS RR2s on Amy's C6 Corvette, and MCS RR3s (triples) on our endurance E46 LS swap race car... so RR2s for her 86 makes sense. I flubbed it and neglected to take pics of the actual set we installed in April of 2020, so the old 86 RR2 pic (above left) doesn't show our '86 upper rear shock mounts we now make.
The rears look great and we will make proper brackets to mount the reservoirs in the trunk later (above left). And the struts went fine, but I was hoping this install might unlock some inboard wheel room on the front. I ordered 18x12" wheels to replace the 18x11" wheels we had to sell to a customer who needed these 5x100 wheels for his widebody FRS (the Alpha car we finished back in 2015). But as you can see (above right) the wheel is sitting inboard of the spring, so the strut body length gain from going from inverted (AST) to non-inverted (MCS) didn't gain us any usable inboard wheel room - like it does on so many other chassis... the struts are just too short to get that benefit on the 86 chassis.
FORGESTAR 18X12 WHEEL TEST
We had to quickly sell the 18x11s from this car, and as the HPR engine build went from a simple 500 whp HPR LS to a wilder and crazier 454" stroker LS7, I was worried that the 315mm wide 200 Treadwear tires that we had on each corner might not cut it with the extra power, especially at the rear.
My idea of "always use the widest tire the class allows" pushed us to test with an 18x12" wheel, which we received in April of 2020. In the last couple of years custom spec wheels were taking so long and the prices kept climbing on this wheel brand and we don't really order much from them anymore, and stopped selling wheels almost completely, but they made us a set of these for the car. Jason spec'd this 18x12" Super Deep F14 wheel with a 8.25" back spacing for both front and rear, knowing they would fit the rear and as an experiment for the front.
We first tried to test fit the 18x12" wheels without a tire mounted on the front, and it didn't look promising. We couldn't push the wheel inboard further and it was poking. Not good. The wheel testing happened right as the MCS coilovers arrived, but the fronts fit poorly with both the AST and MCS setup. Even after stacking up some spacers these 12" wide wheels simply proved to be more than this Rocket Bunny flare kit could cover. At full lock they were digging into the already modified chassis and I wasn't comfortable with this much tire poke. Lots of pondering...
A pair of 18x12" wheels were mounted with some old 335/30/18 BFG Rivals that we used on our 2014 Mustang ages ago - these tires were from 2014, so we would never drive them on track (old / hard / obsolete compound!) As you can see they fit the rear well. The tire and wheel fit the rear perfectly, no spacer needed and zero poke. Perfection! So these will stay on the rear for the foreseeable future (but with fresh 335 or 345mm tires).
As a "Hail Mary" play I ordered some 38mm wide bolt-on front spacers in May of '20, and Brad installed on onto the front left of the 86 while parked in the lobby. The thought was this would push the wheel outboard enough so the tire could clear the strut, then we'd see how it looked.
Well it "worked", as the 335mm tire now cleared the Hyperco springs on the MCS strut (above left), but the tire poked a solid 20mm past the front flare (above right). Ugh, I cannot stand tire poke, so we had to go back to the drawing board for the front tire and wheel package. Discouraged, but this is what happens sometimes when you are pushing the limits of what is possible!
OTHER UPDATES TO '13 FR-S
We tackled a little more work in April 2020 on this chassis, with a MagnaFlow muffler mocked up and purchased as well as some front "carbon" nose work.
This ExtremeDimensions carbon nose needed some trimming and adjustment to fit around the front headlights better. Again, it was a cheap nose that was much more rigid than the rubber OEM piece and had the openings for the oil coolers we wanted to run. This is the normal adjustment needed on aftermarket composite front ends, trust me.
Last piece of work we did on this car before it went into the lobby to hibernate for two years was test fitting this massive MagnaFlow muffler while on the lift. We had recently purchased a number of these then Magnaflow sponsored a couple more for this build and one other. I have a single version of this on my '00 Silverado and it sounds good with a little 347" LS race engine.
There are two in the back of my 2015 Mustang (that we purchased and built while this 86 was in hibernation) and with two 3.5" Id mufflers this size it is good for 1200+ hp.
HPR LS ENGINE BUILD
Part of the reason to use an HPR engine was that I am one of the partners there, and so it makes sense that we test some new and interesting things. I purchased a sleeved aluminum Gen IV block in 2019 to start this engine build, then Erik spec'd the rods, then the crank, then the pistons, then the heads. A little out of the ordinary on the design order, but this was all done during the Pandemic and supply chain issues made normal choices difficult and lead times long.
I purchased a sleeved aluminum LS block that was already finished honed to 4.185" OD. Normally we use these sleeved LS blocks with a 4.185" final bore and a 4.25" stroke crank to reach 468" of displacement, or 7.7L. The calc is like this: Bore area (4.185^2 x pi / 4) x stroke (4.25") x 8 cylinders = displacement. The HPR 468" is pretty amazing and these regularly make 650 - 750 whp for road race engines, depending on compression, intake manifold, and fuel.
4.125" STROKE 8CW CRANK
One of the first things we wanted to test was a fully counter-weighted (8 full sized counterweights) from Scat that had a 4.125" stroke. The cost was a really strong motivator and this unit is priced well for an 8 CW crank, but it gives up a bit of displacement from the normal 4.250" stroke the HPR guys normally use on stroker 468" engines. This 1/8" of stroke change makes this only a 454" engine, or 7.44L.
And we had to modify the crank to work with the LS7/LS9 OEM style dry sump pump I wanted to use. Converting this "short snout" crank to a "long snout" is a costly and time consuming job we only trust to one vendor, but we got it back a couple of months later, and it balanced out great. After this it was still a savings over a custom billet crank to get 8 full counter weights in 4.125" stroke.
LIGHT PISTONS, LIGHT RODS AND PIN GUIDED SPACERS
One of the things engine builder Erik Koenig wanted to test was lighter than normal pistons and rods. Removing weight from the reciprocating assembly reaps benefits with both reliability and lower inertia, for an engine that revs quickly. It is also worth a little more power, and can be used at higher RPMs.
One way to remove a lot of mass from the "big end" of a connecting rod is to use "pin guided" rods, which are aligned to the bore by the pistons, instead of the traditional way of aligning these at the crank by the big end of the rods.
In April of 2020 we took this set of lightweight Scat H-beam alloy steel rods and removed some of the width on our CNC lathe, above. This was an easy process and we just followed Erik's specifications, which he came by to triple check with us.
You can see the machined outer faces on the big end of these rods, above. The before and after is shown above right. This removed "many grams" from the big end, but due to business reasons I cannot share everything there.
We also machined these rod spacers that go inside the custom spec'd Wiseco pistons, above. Instead of a tapered opening these were machined by Wiseco for a pin guided rod, so they are square to the small end of the rod's faces. These aluminum spacers were fit to each rod and piston and marked before final assembly. The piston now positions the rod on the crank instead of the traditional crank journal positioning the rod and floating on the piston pin. It is a common trick in F1, NASCAR, and even some OEMs like Mercedes do this.
The rod bearings at the crank are narrower to work with the now narrower (and lighter) big end of the modified rods. Erik personally checked the fit of each rod / space / piston assembly when it all went together. Along with his 3D milled lightweight pistons we end up with a reciprocating assembly that has less bob weight mass than a titanium rodded LS engine, at a lower cost and without the compromises that titanium rods can have long term.
ASSEMBLING THE HPR 454" LS SHORTBLOCK
In January of 2021 I worked with Erik after hours at HPR to assemble the 454" shortblock. The first night we worked on installing all of the plugs and checking the block top to bottom, after it was final honed, align honed, and washed.
We then moved to checking the crank bearing clearances. A set of narrowed bearings was installed then the main caps were torqued to spec. Then the bores of the bearings are checked and each cap is marked, then checked against each main journal of the crank. If the spec's are not right an over or undersized set of bearings is then tested.
We took the freshly balanced 4.125" 8 CW crank and mocked that up in the block. Then it was time to check main bearing clearances, which took longer than you'd think. We went through a couple of different sets of bearings to get the .002" clearance Erik wanted for what we will do with this engine.
Above we are dialing in the thrust clearance, which is the middle main bearing on the LS engines. There are some small tricks there to get the number you want for either an automatic or manual transmission (and they are slightly different).
With the mains bearing clearances set we torqued the main caps on for "the final time" and bagged up the engine until the next after-hours work session.
Before the rods were installed Erik spec'd and ordered a custom hydraulic roller Comp Camshaft for this engine and that was installed.
In the images above Erik is setting the cam plate on the front, then it was time to install rods and pistons.
I didn't get great pictures of this, as your hands get covered in assembly oil during this step and I didn't want to slather my phone in that. Setting up the ring end gaps and installing the rings, rods, and pins took a lot of time.
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