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  • Vorshlag BMW E30 Development Thread - 1991 BMW 318is

    Project Re-Introduction - February 7, 2025: Welcome back an old favorite - our little Gremlin E30! After Vorshlag sold our 1991 BMW 318is in January of 2009, it bounced around several hands and ended up back in our possession in August of 2024.


    Left: Our little "Gremlin" racing with NASA at ECR in October 2008: Right: The 318is returns to Vorshlag in August 2024 - a bit worse for wear

    We used this car from 2007-2009 as a Vorshlag & AST suspension development test mule, and then our friend Jason McCall and his wife owned it from 2010-12, during which time they upgraded a few items and primarily autocrossed it.



    When we bought this E30 back we were already in the middle of a major restoration and race prep of a Hellrot red 1995 E36 M3 "barn find" that was in even worse shape - so we became buried in "old car problems" and restoration work at Vorshlag.



    We owned this car back in a different time - where we had 3 regular race car projects we could drive, including our LS swapped 500 hp E36 "Alpha Car" and this EVO X shown above left at ECR in October 2008 - which means chasing power wasn't a huge concern for this E30. It was still an amazingly well behaved and good handling car, and we missed the low weight and simplicity of this 318is. I started an older build thread on this forum for this car in 2007 and then McCall made a for sale page on it in 2012, both linked below if you want to go back in time and see what we did with this E30 back then.Instead of just adding to the 2007 thread, we're going to start this a new "E30 development" thread here. We have already developed a number of new Vorshlag products for the E30 chassis using this car and we have a LOT more parts we're working on in 2025. But let's start with a look at the E30 the last time we saw it.

    LAST TIME WE CHECKED IN ON THIS CAR...

    The last pictures I have of this 318is were the "for sale" pics Jason McCall took of it in December 2012. He and his uncle had just done a garage paint job on the car, as the factory paint was starting to get sunburned. They got it remarkably clean for what we started with in 2007!



    McCall had installed a long tube header, cold air induction system, and a 4-point Kirk Racing roll bar. He had the engine bay cleaned up and it was sitting on 15x7.5" ROTA wheels and 205mm width tires.



    It still had the Kirkey aluminum seats and sliders that I had installed with some tubular welded seat brackets (not my best work). The AST 5200 remote reservoir rears and 4100 fronts were still holding Nitrogen and fluid at the time. It had an exhaust I had built for McCall that was legal for SCCA STS class and quieter than before.

    WHAT WE HAVE IN 2024

    After McCall sold it in early 2012, a few additional buyers and 12 more years had passed. There were numerous changes to the little car, some maintenance made, but mostly sat for at least 7 years outdoors, when we were notified about a possible purchase. The owners followed our build and wanted to offer it back to us at an attractive price - if we promised not to muck it up with nasty flares, an LS V8 swap, and a few other stipulations - which we agreed to.



    Many years sitting in the Texas sun had baked off the paint that McCall and his uncle had shot in his garage all those years ago. A tree had also fallen on the right rear fender behind the back glass - don't worry, we will address all of this, in time. The paint looks glossy in the above left picture only because I had just hosed down the exterior and it was still wet!



    After unloading this from our trailer I washed the engine bay and cleaned out all sorts of leaves and acorns, then looked inside. The carpet had a lot of stains from a leaking heater core. The car had picked up some fancy Recaro racing seats but both were old, had very worn fabrics, and so narrow that my hip bones wouldn't squeeze inside them (nor could Amy fit inside either seat).



    Amy and I knew we wanted to restore this car to a standard better than even when we owned it, way back nearly at Vorshlag's beginning. We made a big list of parts needed to spruce up the inside and underhood areas. The glove box door had a busted latch and the dash cover was trashed. NO JUDGEMENT here, this is what happens with a 34 year old car stored outside nearly all its life.



    The car wouldn't start nor even crank, so we got it onto a lift and started looking underneath. The prototype polyurethane engine mounts we made in 2008 were rotted away and two of the four AST dampers were leaking. The rotors were crusty and there was a bad wheel bearing.



    We pushed the little E30 into the shop on August 5th, 2024, to get an initial weight (weight of fuel unknown here, due to dead electrical systems). It had gained a few pounds since we had last weighed it (2338 lbs), but that was before the Kirk Racing 4-point roll bar and these race seats were installed - weight we appreciate, for the safety they bring.

    FIRE THE PARTS CANNON!

    Early in the build we had noted a bunch of crusty parts, especially the brakes. The front wheel bearings also felt pretty worn, but the rears were good.



    I went a little crazy on RockAuto and bought a bunch of stuff in August of 2024 for this car, shown above. The rotors all around are new and coated, new front hubs, new OEM engine and transmission mounts, new Centric pads, new door latch surrounds, new spark plugs, and a few other bits and pieces.

    We will cover these parts being replaced in the various sections below.

    BATTERY REPLACEMENT

    When we picked up the car in Austin the previous owner had said it cranked and fired not too long ago, but we tried two jump boxes with no luck down there and just winched it into our trailer.



    On August 8th we tried to charge the relatively new battery in the trunk hiwl in the trailer , but it kept coming back showing a bad cell. So it was time to fire the parts cannon. The original battery I put in the car in 2007 was a little go-kart Deka EXT18L battery, along with my Home Depot mount (hey, we've come a long way since). I have soured on the tiny batteries of late, after seeing a real decline in the lifespan of some brands - and the tiny battery's very small reserve capacity.



    What was in the car now was a Group 26 wet cell battery from Wal-Mart. After a lot of battery replacements in 2020-24, I have favored the Group 26 wet cell, as it is easy to procure, has enough heft to store some real juice (reserve and cranking amps), and is small enough to only tip the scales at 27-28 pounds - only 10 pounds more than the tiny Deka we used way back when.



    So I measured the dead Group 26 in the car and found a billet aluminum "import" battery hold down kit that perfectly fit this sized battery - with a 6.8" gap between the hold down edges. This worked perfectly and we have since used this in our E36 M3 for the same sized battery. And of course I bought a fresh Group 26 from a local parts store for $120, using this old one as the core. Now I've got a 5 year prorated warranty battery I can replace easily at the same O'Reillys store chain.



    While at the same parts store I took the old negative cable assembly with me and found a replacement, which wasn't crusty and worn like the old one. The positive side cable was OEM and cleaned up well, and that all went back together nicely. Now we had juice! But.... the engine would still not crank.

    LET'S GET THIS (ENGINE) PARTY STARTED - INJECTORS & FUEL TANK CLEAN

    The four cylinder engine would not start nor crank when we picked it up, so we winched it into the trailer. The next step after replacing the battery was to try to get the little M44 1.9L BMW engine to fire up - yes, we swapped this in from an E36 for the busted M42 1.8L it had when we got it in 2007. Those low hanging front oil pans were prone to road damage, and sometimes people cracked that pan, then drove them without oil until the engine seized. Part of how we bought this car so cheap back in '07!



    Under a previous owner's stewardship it blew a head gasket but was repaired, so we were told. There was a mechanical fan delete also done - which can work on these lower powered 4 cylinder BMWs, if you never street drive the car or let it run while idling for long. We plan to do some weekend driving + track events in this car, so we will need to add a proper electrical fan.



    The fuel was OLD so we had to work on that, and the injectors were sent off to be cleaned and flowed at Injector Rx, along with a set from our E36 M3 in August 2024. They flow bench test each set before and after the ultrasonic cleaning, and as you could see 3 were not flowing well and 1 injector wasn't firing at all (of the 6 injectors from our Project #Hellrotten M3, 2 were not firing and we had to replace 1 of those with a new $29 replacement).



    We got the E30 set back and installed them into the manifold. The fuel pump was pulled but the tank level was very low, so the pickup screen wasn't submerged in the funky old fuel. That fuel pump assembly was cleaned in our parts cleaner and the tank was drained and wiped out completely - it was very clean and ready for fresh fuel. We just needed some juice...

    STARTER & IGNITION SWITCH - FIRST FIRE!

    After we finally had a working battery and hold-down and fresh fuel and cleaned injectors, we could test more to get the engine started. We first threw a new starter at this little engine.



    Which wasn't the actual problem, as further testing would show after it was installed. Hey so... yes, this was a rash "parts cannon" attempt at a repair, but it was 34 years old so a new starter wasn't a terrible place to start. And we had the upper plenum off already, waiting for the injectors to return. Turns out the problem was a busted ignition switch and wiring assembly - Christian found that after he started probing the starting circuit.



    The old switch (above left) came apart in pieces as it was removed, and it wasn't fixable - the plastics that housed the rotating parts that the key would turn had just rotted apart. Just happened while it sat for so many years. A new E30 ignition switch assembly was hard to come by but the crew found that an E28 switch was available and could be used in its place - it just has 2 extra wires that weren't used. So I hopped on eBay and ordered one for "tens of dollars". It showed up "new" but had been sitting for decades.



    It cleaned up well and Brad was able to install that. On August 27th, a few weeks after picking up this car after a 7+ year hibernation, the little M44 engine fired to life. It was even running on all 4 cylinders now, too, thanks to the clean injectors. We still had a lot of work ahead of us before the first test drive, but this was an early victory - WOO!

    FLASH YOUR GRILL

    I am sometimes too preoccupied with how a car LOOKS and the crusty original plastic front grills were bugging me. A quick look on eBay and Amazon turned up some new replacements for "tens of dollars", so I bought them.



    Is this a "lipstick on a pig" sort of upgrade? Maybe but we WILL have this car painted (or wrapped) at some point and these won't look out of place then.



    I also found some cheesy, blacked out, BMW "tri-color" striped center grill pieces also. I'm not proud of that one, but I do NOT like chrome. Don't hate the player, HATE THE GAME!

    INTERIOR WORK: CARPET, DASH COVER, & GLOVE BOX DOOR LATCH FIX

    Early on I also noticed how nasty the interior looked - the Texas sun had destroyed the dash, and a busted glove box door let that thing flop around. This hurts me to the core, because the dash was perfect the last time I saw it. Time is a brutal thing!



    I ordered a new glove box door latch, which was a cheap and easy repair - another "tens of dollars" part that fixed the problem right away.



    We had really good results from a Dashskins branded dash cover on my 2000 Silverado, but after looking I found nothing from that brand. I then looked at eBay and Amazon to see what else was out there, and found these upper dash caps from $50-180. After reading a bunch of reviews I threw the dice and ordered this $73 cap from "Karpal".



    Surprisingly this low cost option was shipped well and fit perfectly on our early test fits. A very nice interior upgrade was about to happen!



    Brad cleaned the old dash surface and the underside of the new dash cap with Acetone, to allow for a good seal. Then using black silicone (per the instructions) a good pattern of goo was laid down in the dash cap and it was placed over the old dash.

    continued below
    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    2018 GT / S550 Dev + 2013 FR-S / 86 Dev + 2011 GT / S197 Dev + C4 Corvette Dev
    EVO X Dev + 2007 Z06 / C6 Dev + BMW E46 Dev + C5 Corvette Dev

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    We know from experience to apply pressure to the dash cap while the adhesive sets up for at least 24 hours. Using towels at the interface and boards cut to fit against the ceiling and seats, the pressure was applied evenly to the cap.



    The next day it looked SO much better with this new cap. Did it match the dark grey of the original dash? Of course not - we could not find an OEM matching color cap for $73. In full sunlight you don't even notice the black to gray mismatch.



    These carpets - wow, they were always kinda nasty, but the years have not been kind. The raw tubular steel seat brackets I built in 2007 that I never got around to painting were also still in the car, and they transferred some rust also. We think there was a heater core leak years ago and it was bypassed when we got the car. Christian pulled the two ultra-narrow Recaro race seats and got to work with shampoo and a wet vac back in August, and attacked it again in October after I bought a steam cleaner and some Folex carpet cleaner.



    As you can see above, the carpets are BETTER but not great. The stains are tough, and it's a shame as these are nice, OEM wool BMW carpets. If it bugs me further we might replace the carpet set, but all of the aftermarket bits are cheap/lightweight versions that won't fit or wear as well. Or we might just re-dye these carpets in a darker color, to hide some of the stubborn stains that linger. We will see.

    STEERING WHEEL & QUICK RELEASE HUB

    With our E36 M3 needing seats and steering wheel parts, and a once-a-year Sparco sale, we jumped the gun and ordered a steering wheel, NRG Quick Release (GR) hub, and some seats for our E30 at the same time in mid-August 2024.



    The tilt back Sparco seats, MOMO steering wheel, an NRG hub adapter for the E30, and one of the new NRG hubs shown above were for our little E30 here.

    Well actually, the "SFI" rated NRG QR hubs shown above had no horn function, which I found out after they arrived. We sent them back and got the SRK-250BK versions, which we ended up installing in both the E30 here and our E36 - so we can quickly swap steering wheels between the two cars (more on that later).



    The old airbag wheel from this car was in fine shape, but I got antsy to spend money and went overboard buying the same parts for the E30 that we needed for the E36. I originally purchased a 350 mm Sparco steering wheel for the E36 and this 320 mm MOMO Alcantara wheel with red stitching and horn button for the E30.

    This MOMO steering wheel comes in 320 and 350 mm diameter versions, and as I found out quickly the 320mm version is too small - it visually blocks the gauges on either BMW, for me. I sent the Sparco wheel back and purchased the larger 350mm version of the MOMO, and that wheel fits both cars BY FAR BETTER. So we keep swapping that larger MOMO unit onto both BMWs, and eventually I'll put this 320mm up for sale and just get a second 350mm version.



    This MOMO Montecarlo wheel is THE NICEST steering wheel I've ever purchased - the red stitching, the Alcantara wrap, and the overall fit and finish are just superb for a $239 steering wheel. The NRG quick release with the horn function (2 wire pass thru) is also nice, and is also exactly what I run in my Mustang race car (below).



    NRG's SFI rated QR hub looks a little flashier, but I really wanted a working horn on ALL of our street and race cars. Yes, I've used the horn in my Mustang race car (above) at a competition event, to prevent someone from backing into me while in grid. Cheap insurance.



    Christian got busy with the steering wheel swap - pulling the OEM wheel off then swapping on the NRG hub adapter. He then found the horn wires and added them to the column side of the NRG hub. I like this NRG adapter and QR hub because it doesn't stack up as thick as some of the fancier brands' QR setups.



    If you click on the high res version above left you can see the wiring pass-through contacts, which allow for the horn (or any 2 wire circuit) to function with a removable hub (this is not common for a QR hub, by the way). The red horn button comes with the MOMO version with the red stitching, but with Red / Black / Silver being the official Vorshlag colors, I surely don't mind. The 350mm version of the wheel is sown above right and the smaller 320mm version at left.

    BRAKES AND WHEEL HUBS

    The brakes on any car that sits for a few years in the weather here in Texas get rusty - heck, it can happen in a matter of weeks, but after 7 years they were REALLY nasty. Luckily brake rotors are cheap for the E30 - again, "tens of dollars" each for coated replacements.



    The new rotors and pads went on quickly, refreshing the tired brakes on this car. We will show what we did and why, below. I will start by saying - normally we would swap out old calipers that looked this rusty with newly rebuilt OEM versions, but we have bigger plans for the brakes that will be relieved later.



    The rear rotor is non-vented on the 318is, and we used some cheap semi-metallic Centric pads out back. Don't worry, we only plan to do 1 or 2 track tests on these pads before we upgrade to something very different. We would normally just order G-LOC pads at both ends and stainless braided lines, if we planned to keep these OEM calipers for long.



    Since the car needed wheel hubs up front anyway, we used this as the perfect chance to develop a Vorshlag brake cooling deflector for this car. After Christian yanked the old hubs off (that I last replaced in 2008 or so). Then the old dust shield backing plates were removed. This makes building our replacement deflector a lot easier - but to get that old unit off, the hubs HAVE to be removed.



    With the dust shield removed the new hub was mocked up with the new rotors and pads, and we could have hit the track like this. But again, it was the perfect time to develop a new product and add a track upgrade.



    With the wheel turned to full lock above left you can see how wide open the rotor is from the back side. We want to push air into the open rotor and around the exposed hub to cool both for track use. Above right you can see our brake cooling deflector, which went through a couple of iterations before we were happy. This acts as a "shovel" to redirect airflow from the factory brake cooling inlets (see that section below) into the rotor, but also acts as a heat shield for the two ball joints.



    The air gap between the rotor and deflector and then the gap between the deflector and ball joints keeps the heat from the brakes from cooking the boots and grease within the ball joints - for the tie rod and main spindle attachment. We will share the results of how these brakes and the cooling works after our first track test - but a similar brake rotor / pad / cooling setup on our E36 M3 has worked VERY well in 3 track tests so far. So much so that we released this E30 brake cooling deflector already.

    REBUILD THE AST DAMPERS

    Shortly after Vorshlag first started we became the North American distributor and warranty center for AST dampers out of Holland in 2006. So when we bought this E30 back in 2007 we used it to develop an E30 suspension setup with this brand, mixing their 4100 single adjustable inserts into the shortened front housings and AST 4300 triple adjustable remotes out back.



    You can read why we did this wacky setup in the old forum thread, but basically - we ran this car in an autocross class that did NOT allow aftermarket limited slip upgrades, so we ran a twin spring long stroke rear damper to try to mitigate wheelspin with the OEM open differential.



    It worked well enough in a parking lot, but was helped with sticky modern tires and a lack of power. We do not push this dual spring setup to many folks because it is an expensive way to try to fake a proper limited slip differential - an LSD is much cheaper to install than remote triple adjustable dampers!



    We knew from our initial August 5th close inspection of the car that one front strut and one rear damper were blown - meaning, they had lost Nitrogen seal and were leaking hydraulic fluid. Driving on a blown monotube damper only damages them further, so during our brake upgrades above these two leakers were removed. Talking to the previous owner these had been rebuilt once before, years earlier.



    Long term development plans for this car include an MCS coilover system but with radically different spindles and uprights front and rear, so short term we wanted to get these rebuilt. Christian removed the leakers and I got to work cleaning them before taking them to a local shock rebuilder Inertia Labs to have them repaired.



    Hydraulic fluid is a sticky mess and road grit gets stuck to it quickly - this lets you also know how long a damper has been leaking. I cleaned up the assembled front strut/spindle assembly in the parts washer, then the leaky rear shock unit.



    We had these two dampers out of the car September 9th and Inertia Lab had them back to us "mostly" rebuilt and holding Nitrogen pressure on the 19th. The problem is AST doesn't have many "authorized shock rebuilders" in North America. We stopped being the warranty center in 2009 and HVT stopped serving them in 2014. Since then AST has had a half dozen distributors and now, who knows? Long story short - its HARD TO GET PARTS for this brand now.



    I have driven on these dampers a couple of times now in 2025, and they didn't leak yet. I won't be surprised if they leak again at our first track outing., but I HOPE they can last for the two tests we have planned before we dive into the radical changes we have in store for this car's suspension. Fingers crossed!

    INSTALLING A NEW HEATER CORE

    The heater core had been bypassed ages ago, likely from a leak that stained the carpet. The carpet was dry around the heater core but I wanted a working unit in case we street drive this car in the winter months. I ordered a new heater core from Schmiedmann in Denmark for $27.05, then new heater hoses ($35.90 + $183) from them also.



    Access to the heater core is a bit of involved, but with both front seats out and the center console removed, Christian was able to fish out the old heater core.



    Well of the two variants that the E30 uses, I ordered the wrong one. Doesn't make sense to ship it back to Denmark, so I spent $48 getting one from RockAuto (Mahle # AH95000S) and this time I got the right heater core shape. We got that installed under the dash and, along with the new heater hoses and - viola! - we have a working heater and defroster again.

    NEW SEAT BRACKET BASE DESIGN - NEW PRODUCT!

    We have been on a roll lately making new seat bracket base designs. We talk about how we build these and why in this forum post, but long story short: our design is shorter, more rigid, and an easier way to mount a racing seat AND the anti-sub + lab belt anchors than the other options out there.



    The gap underneath our designs allows room for carpets, wiring, and the hardware needed to bolt the side brackets and sliders to, as well as the clip-in anchors. Nobody else makes seat brackets like this, but we cannot make these fast enough. They work.



    We worked on this E30 bracket for more than a few months, attacking it between other customer and development jobs. What started in August didn't wrap up until late January of 2025.

    continued below
    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    2018 GT / S550 Dev + 2013 FR-S / 86 Dev + 2011 GT / S197 Dev + C4 Corvette Dev
    EVO X Dev + 2007 Z06 / C6 Dev + BMW E46 Dev + C5 Corvette Dev

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    • #3
      continued from above

      We started this quest for a better seat mount by first taking out the tubular steel brackets I built in 2008 and throwing them right into the trash.



      I used to make brackets out of square tubing, and while they worked each had too many challenges. This style does not lend itself to production parts with tight tolerances. Our CNC cut plates, on the other hand, are very repeatable and with the right plasma settings we can cut the ribs with tabs and the plates with mating slots - which leads to a self-fixturing assembly.



      The initial design (see above) for the E30 was made from a template we built in the car. To the main plate we added our new CNC machined risers to the bottom side, like our new E36 brackets. These cylinders end up as a cup, with an opening on the top side that we can send the floor bolts through. This first prototype was bolted into the car and led us to some changes that we made in the production version, shown below.



      The production seat bracket base has a cutout for your hand, which allows you to easily reach the Sparco slider adjuster. It also has the "E30" lettering cut into the center, and luckily one design works for both sides of the car equally well. We left a wide swath of space to bolt the seat sliders or side brackets to, and the cups allow for the floor mounting bolts to be recessed under a slider if need be.



      We picked these Sparco GT seats ($475 retail at the time of this writing) for their timeless design, and a tilt back adjuster allows many driver sizes to fit. These were also on sale last August and made for a cost effective "dual purpose" seat. Like most tilt back seats these are bottom mounted, and Sparco sliders bolt right onto them. Then the sliders bolt to the seat bracket base. We also kept the stock lower seat belt buckles (mounted to another bracket we made) to allow the stock 3-point retractable seat belts to work for street use.



      We are happy with the production version and will release those for sale on the Vorshlag website. The Sparco 6-point harnesses are anchored to the seat bracket base (lower 4 belts/anchors) and the Kirk roll bar (2 shoulder belts).



      Unlike a fixed back dedicated race seat there is no hole in the floor section of the Sparco GT. Not a worry, we can route the anti-sub belts "through the crack" - the joint between the seat base and tilting seat back. The anti-subs through that, under your butt, and then loop back towards your crotch to allow the buckle to meet the lap and shoulder belts. We have added harnesses to many tilt back seats like this and never has one been given a second thought at track tech.

      MISHIMOTO ELECTRIC FAN & DERALE CONTROLLER

      One of the things that disappeared from this car the last time we saw it in 2012 was the mechanical engine driven radiator cooling fan and shroud.



      This is actually a common practice on some cars - a "Fan delete" that ditches the mechanical fan, and then either adding an electric fan or tricking the auxiliary electric fan (for the A/C system, mounted in front of the radiator) to come on with a temperature switch. This car had no mechanical fan or any control of the aux electric fan - so it would run warm in our initial running tests, sitting at idle. Not really an issue on track, as above about 40 mph an electric fan doesn't add anything to the natural airflow from driving at speed.



      When we pulled this 16" slim line Mishimoto fan off of our Mustang race car and replaced it with a much higher flowing fan (to deal with 700+ hp at idle), the Mishi fan setup was set aside. And I never throw anything away, and sure enough my hording tendencies paid off again.



      When it came time to add a fan to the E30 this whole setup was recycled, even the brackets! Christian had that bolted up to the E30 radiator in minutes, as it was the perfect width and the brackets barely needed any changes.



      The current retail prices for the fan and fan controller are shown above, with part numbers visible in the high resolution images.



      To control this new fan we added a Derale dual fan controller, which has an adjustable trigger for on and off control. We had one of these Derale systems left over from another project, but it needed a replacement thermostatic probe. We tracked down that part (1874 and installed between the probe the fins of the radiator on the "hot" side. After all of this was wired into the car the fan speeds were adjusted on the unit (small screwdriver) and by using IR gun on the radiator + looking at the stock temp gauge. Works like a champ!

      REPLACE FACTORY INLET DUCTS

      In order to feed the new Vorshlag brake cooling deflectors we need high pressure air from the front of the car. The OEM parts would work great for this, if they hadn't "left the chat" a while ago. There are 4 pieces that make up both sides of the brake inlet duct path. The two forward scoops were still intact but the smooth bore square ducts from behind the inlets back to the fender liner were both gone.



      After looking online I found a half price option for both front ducts from eBay. Turns out these are 3D printed by a company called Treedy Labs. Now if you follow me on social media, you know I am skeptical about many things: crypto currencies, face eating leopards that don't eat faces, and 3D printed parts on a race car. But I had used something printed from this company before on our E36, and it was in such a non-critical location that it was acceptable, and these fell into the same low risk category.



      Christian got these installed - they clipped firmly into the back of the front facing scoops and there was JUST enough fender liner left to hold them at the rear. We will repair the fender liners better when we have time, but for now we have a proper airflow path for the brake cooling.

      WHAT'S NEXT?

      Well that got a little long so let's stop there. Next time on this forum thread we will cover lots of things - two test drives on the streets of Mexico, few additional repairs, a new set of tires, lots of fender rolling, and then a TRACK TEST!



      We also have big plans for an engine swap - but not an LS V8 this time. We explored a variety of factory 300 hp rated V6 engines and have settled on the Honda J-series 3.7L SOHC V6. We have acquired a mockup engine, weighed it, and are way down the rabbit hole on this swap already. After a track test (later today!) we will yank the M44 and get to work on the swap.

      More on that next time!
      Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
      2018 GT / S550 Dev + 2013 FR-S / 86 Dev + 2011 GT / S197 Dev + C4 Corvette Dev
      EVO X Dev + 2007 Z06 / C6 Dev + BMW E46 Dev + C5 Corvette Dev

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      • #4
        how are you not scared the main spring / helper spring assembly in the rear isn't gonna fall out? its all kinked out to the side and looks ready to fall out just sitting there in droop, how does it stay in place of you hit a big bump or track curbing and it goes in droop while the car is bouncing over the bump or track curbing...?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by warmmilk View Post
          how are you not scared the main spring / helper spring assembly in the rear isn't gonna fall out? its all kinked out to the side and looks ready to fall out just sitting there in droop, how does it stay in place of you hit a big bump or track curbing and it goes in droop while the car is bouncing over the bump or track curbing...?
          Well mostly because - that double spring setup has been in use for the last 17 years and has never fallen out. (it literally cannot fall out)



          Our initial setup on this E30 from 2007 is shown above - a traditional single spring (60mm x 140mm long) sitting in the divorced (stock) spring location with an AST ride height adjuster. That is shown with the right rear lifted on a jack, and it is "drooped" out to the limit of the AST 4100 single adjustables it had at the time.



          Above is when we transitioned to the dual spring setup with a longer stroke AST 4300 triple adjustable with remotes. The custom built remote reservoir rear damper had a lot more droop travel, which we wanted. At left you are seeing the suspension "fully drooped out", which cannot happen while driving in any condition - and the springs still have pressure and cannot come out. That would require the car to be airborn for 15 or more seconds... or be jacked up on a lift or jack stands, as shown. Above right is a peek at the dual spring setup while sitting at ride height. That orange spring is simply a helper spring, but if we DO droop out more than normal, it can help keep pushing down on that tire...



          We mostly autocrossed the car and the class it was built for (STS) did not allow an upgrade to the limited slip - and this car never came with one, so we were trying some rally tricks (dual spring) to try to keep the tires loaded in extreme cornering. We left the rear swaybar off to try not to add any bind to the rear suspension, and this "ghetto fix" for a lack of limited slip worked well enough, at low power levels that this car had (126 whp).



          We have the same setup on the car now in 2025, and this was from a track day yesterday. None of the many pictures we took show the rear tire off the ground.



          And while this may seem unusual and isn't seen much in road course setups, a dual spring is VERY common in rally and off road setups. We built this AST 5000 series strut with a long travel + dual spring setup for Pikes Peak Subaru.

          The more you know...
          Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
          2018 GT / S550 Dev + 2013 FR-S / 86 Dev + 2011 GT / S197 Dev + C4 Corvette Dev
          EVO X Dev + 2007 Z06 / C6 Dev + BMW E46 Dev + C5 Corvette Dev

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          • #6
            Thank you for the extremely in depth reply! HonestIy way more detaiI than expected

            To kinda justify my question after the fact, its not so much the dual spring part that scares me, its the dual spring with no shock in the middle. Like the back of the E30. The pic of the Subaru you posted has the damper in the middle, so unless that snaps in half the springs aren't going anywhere. My car has helper springs in the front but it also has the damper going through it. And the question wasn't really aimed at the E30 specifically, lots of cars have the divorced spring setup in the rear. lt freaks me out every time l see it. The pic that specifically did it for me this time was the one below with the bottom of the main spring and the top of the helper already unseated and kinked out to the side.

            ps. that last pic of the E30 is really making me want one... and put a high revving K20 in it...

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