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    Thanks to Dean and Jeremy the STi now has pretty new german coilovers. Sits a bit lower too. Prolly take me a year to get them sorted out. =/
    '11 Mustang GT / '95 Frankenpreza

    "A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster."
    - Dr. Clarkson

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    Re: Coilovers installed

    now you need to schedule some time at Hanchey's to try and corner weight that biotch!
    McCall

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    • #3
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      Boy I love physics. Here's what we ended up with on Paul's car. Not bad, 3100 pounds without driver. Cross weights are nearly perfect. How I love prepping the competition's car to beat me.

      http://www.bimmerhausoftexas.com/tamscc/paul.htm
      Brian Hanchey
      AST Suspension - USA

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      • #4
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        Okay, can you 'splain some of that physics to me...

        What are the priorities in cross-weight versus nose-tail weight ?

        I see the driver side front is super heavy, can you shift the height to put more of the nose heavy cross weights to the rear, so cross weight is still even, but more of it is in the rears on each side ?

        So more of a 50/50 nose-tail distribution, while also maintaining a close cross weight ?

        I thought McCall's car had a super close 50/50 nose-tail and cross weight distribution....
        Toth: "I would sue Duck, but I don't know what I would do with 3 pennies and a hoopty GTO."
        Me: "I never finish anyth..."

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        • #5
          Re: Coilovers installed

          You cannot change F/R weight distribution. Any ride height changes you make only shifts weight on the crosses. If you raise one corner, it lowers the adjacent corners and raises the corner you're on and the opposite corner.

          Paul's car is heavy on the LF, but there's only so much you can do. You want the cross weights to be the same, but if a corner is light or heavy moving the weight off that corner will just screw up the cross weights. Notice his RR is light too, a bad combination. If we lowered the LF enough to equal out the weights on the front of the car the LF would be sitting on the ground and the RF would be 2" higher. Plus the RR would be REALLY low on weight since lowering the LF affects the RR. That doesn't do much for handling.

          Since his car is light on the RR, pay attention at the next event. I bet he lifts in the rear tire in RH turns more than left.

          Jason's car was 60/40 too, or close to that.
          Last edited by hancheyb; 12-22-2005, 12:12 PM.
          Brian Hanchey
          AST Suspension - USA

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            Wow, very interesting... I wonder what a stock Evo looks like, I bet it looks ideal, even stock - since a stock Evo to stock STi, the handling edge is on the Evo.
            Toth: "I would sue Duck, but I don't know what I would do with 3 pennies and a hoopty GTO."
            Me: "I never finish anyth..."

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            • #7
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              Jim Harris can bring his car over for $50.
              Brian Hanchey
              AST Suspension - USA

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              • #8
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                I'll be corner weighting the car soon after I install the new LCA bushings front and rear....and raise the nose. The front's too low at the moment. I'd like to lower the rear more, but I can't. :\

                I think I posted my numbers from the white car here. With a driver, the front/rear distribution is nothing short of darn impressive for a plebian-mobile.

                Tommy
                2001 Jeep Wrangler
                2001 Dodge 2500 Cummins

                BMW E36 DIY's:
                Front LCA Bushing Swap
                E36 Custom Cat Back
                M3 Limited Slip Diff Repair
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Dean!
                  Wow, very interesting... I wonder what a stock Evo looks like, I bet it looks ideal, even stock - since a stock Evo to stock STi, the handling edge is on the Evo.
                  Get off the crack pipe. Evo is worse for front end weight bias. The only thing the Evo has stock better than a STi is steering.
                  '11 Mustang GT / '95 Frankenpreza

                  "A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster."
                  - Dr. Clarkson

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                  • #10
                    Re: Coilovers installed

                    I don't understand all this hoopla about 50/50 weight split. The only thing it is better than is my 60/40. I would rather have rear weight bias is a RWD car.
                    '11 Mustang GT / '95 Frankenpreza

                    "A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster."
                    - Dr. Clarkson

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                    • #11
                      Re: Coilovers installed

                      More weight in the rear (to an extent) is better. However, for most cars it's a pipe dream at best. So 50/50 is often used as a more realistic possibility. You sure wouldn't want a 40/60 split!

                      Tommy
                      2001 Jeep Wrangler
                      2001 Dodge 2500 Cummins

                      BMW E36 DIY's:
                      Front LCA Bushing Swap
                      E36 Custom Cat Back
                      M3 Limited Slip Diff Repair
                      Diff Swap

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                      • #12
                        Re: Coilovers installed

                        50/50 in a front engine/rear drive car is almost as good as it gets. You have to have mid engine or rear engine to get better. A 911 hooks up like nothing else, but spins like nothing else too.
                        Brian Hanchey
                        AST Suspension - USA

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                        • #13
                          Re: Coilovers installed

                          Yes, I realize 50/50 is about as good as it gets with front engine/rwd. It certainly gives you better balance and throttle control (in theory at least) than the 60/40 I have. At least I have AWD to help on corner exit, and oh what a help it is. =) To bad it hurts my braking compared to the e36 cars who make better use of their rears and don't abuse the fronts as much.

                          BTW, thanks Brian, not sure if the corner balance means a lot in feel but it does feel better. Prolly the shocks set to full soft on rebound did that. Much better ride on the street now.
                          '11 Mustang GT / '95 Frankenpreza

                          "A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster."
                          - Dr. Clarkson

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by hancheyb
                            Jim Harris can bring his car over for $50.
                            Can I bring mine over for $0?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Coilovers installed

                              Originally posted by Paul
                              Originally posted by Dean!
                              Wow, very interesting... I wonder what a stock Evo looks like, I bet it looks ideal, even stock - since a stock Evo to stock STi, the handling edge is on the Evo.
                              Get off the crack pipe. Evo is worse for front end weight bias. The only thing the Evo has stock better than a STi is steering.
                              and gearing...and turbo...and...
                              Last edited by instigator; 12-22-2005, 04:53 PM.

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